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Are Dura ace hubs just as durable as Phil wood hubs?

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Besides the extra maintenance you have to put into the Dura Aces, are they just as durable as Phil Wood Hubs? I know there are other factors involved in making a bombproof wheel like the hoop type and spokes but I'm just talking about the hub itself. And by durable I mean the amount of torque you put on it when smashing sprints from a dead start, smashing sprints on the velodrome, smashing long steep uphills, and skidding all over the city. Would Dura Aces be able to take a solid beating like Phil Woods can?
     
June 7, 2018 06:21 PM
JeffryRuga
From: Los Angeles
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Based on what I've seen with my own eyes, I would have to say no.





     
June 7, 2018 08:37 PM
Scrodzilla
From: South of Heaven
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Ohh mann! Thanks for the heads up! I just bought a rear Phil hub wheel and was thinking about selling it because I just bought a Dura Ace Set-up. I guess I'll keep them now!
     
June 7, 2018 10:34 PM
JeffryRuga
From: Los Angeles
67 posts
3 bikes
That's not to say DA hubs aren't great, because they are. The hub I posted above was damaged by an experienced velodrome racer who is a complete monster. Not "normal" circumstances at all.

However, the same guy is now using a rear wheel I built him using a Phil high flange hub for training, so...
     
June 7, 2018 11:05 PM
Scrodzilla
From: South of Heaven
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Curious, are his legs as big chris hoy? Does he look like a bodybuilder? Also what kinds of hoops did you lace the Phils to?
     
June 8, 2018 08:35 PM
JeffryRuga
From: Los Angeles
67 posts
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His legs are enormous and he does slightly resemble a bodybuilder.

Phil Wood to Archetype, 3X lacing using Sapim Force triple butted spokes.
     
June 9, 2018 01:51 PM
Scrodzilla
From: South of Heaven
1005 posts
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Thanks again for the input, Im going to keep my rear phil and lace them to h+hydras
     
June 9, 2018 09:15 PM
JeffryRuga
From: Los Angeles
67 posts
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That is the coolest thing I have ever seen
     
June 11, 2018 03:32 PM
HarvestCyclery
From: Bushwick, Brooklyn, New York
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Scott, do you prefer to use Sapim, Wheelsmith, or DT Swiss?
     
June 11, 2018 10:48 PM
tricksonafixed
From: Minnesota
320 posts
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Who is Scott? Sapim or Phil Wood spokes FTW.
     
June 12, 2018 03:58 AM
Scrodzilla
From: South of Heaven
1005 posts
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Auto-Correct! Thanks again for your help. I'll be ordering hopefully soon.

Retro-gression.com
     
June 13, 2018 07:31 PM
tricksonafixed
From: Minnesota
320 posts
5 bikes
I think the number of spokes, proper tension, high vs low flange and a round rim might have more impact in combination on how durable your setup will be than the brand of hub. They are all aluminum hubs after all. But i'm just a guy on the internet. What do I know.
     
June 16, 2018 02:25 AM
Of course, but any hub having an oversized body and thicker flanges (Phil Wood, Profile, etc) will be somewhat stronger under extreme conditions than one having a thin center & flanges.
     
June 16, 2018 04:13 PM
Scrodzilla
From: South of Heaven
1005 posts
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Somewhat stronger? Perhaps on the margin but is the flange thickness or center thickness significant on its own in this case or was there a flaw somewhere else in the wheel build? You'd have to get an engineer to study the stresses on the hub and work backwards to find out. I mean we would build every component out of solid block chromoly if we truly wanted indestructible but people care about weight. Phils are durable for what they are and a little heavier. I think the Dura Ace is a more elegant design and loose ball so it's apples to oranges. Glad to see this debate isn't dead in 2018 lol.
     
June 17, 2018 03:20 AM
Oh look, we've taken a sharp turn into Nerdville.

I'm out.
     
June 17, 2018 01:50 PM
Scrodzilla
From: South of Heaven
1005 posts
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my hub held up pretty well after i got mirrored
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June 19, 2018 10:04 PM
I ran one over with my car and the flange bent so they're clearly trash right?
     
June 20, 2018 05:30 AM
Jehu
From: Salem, Oregon
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